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  1. 1

    Riley

    The car wash “ethics issue” is interesting since there are apparently no other automated car washes in the City. And Hi-Speed is downright cheap at $3.00.

    On the other hand, the AJC article was thoroughly researched and, presumably, there is more to come. Talk is cheap, that’s why there’s so much of it. Especially in a political campaign.

  2. 2

    Bob

    I wonder how this will effect the judge selections?

  3. 3

    whodean

    Typical AJC hit piece designed to sway citizens in prospective cities in Dekalb to vote against what is best for them (while AJC attempts to protect liberal county government machine)

    These sort of issues should be exposed and avoided, but citizens shouldn’t allow them to obscure the overall benefits of incorporation.

  4. 4

    Eddie E.

    Amazing how many bogus concepts and dog-whistle-code words one can get from an intelligent article and stuff into a misguided post.

  5. 5

    Thorndike

    I am sure much will be made of the $3.00 car wash bargain struck for police car washes convenient to the police station being a witch hunt. Maybe the focus should be on a $2,500 contribution to a small local government politician running for a city council polition where 25 votes one way or the other wins an election. Looking at some of the political contributions received, who they are from and the amounts involved for such a small, local position makes one wonder what is at stake and what are the personal gains.

  6. 6

    Uranus

    I agree. Our political crooks are better than DeKalb’s any day.

  7. 7

    Redevelopment Powers 101

    Two points, Whodean,

    Both Dunwoody and Brookhaven tax revenue to DeKalb County is barely 5% of DC revenue. It is preposterous for the AJC to claim they need the revenue from these cities to maintain sustainability. If the DC pension system is not fixed, halted, etc. bankruptcy will be filed between 2020 and 2024 if not sooner. $350M worth of bonds mature in 2024. Interest rates will most likely be much higher then.

    Second, November will bring a welcome change of leadership at Brookhaven City Hall.

  8. 8

    Red

    Benefits to whom? Developers, real estate brokers and their politician friends? Residents see the effects of incorporation, and those of us not involved in building see mostly higher taxes and the same old political cronyism. (The city-run exception is the police force. Most other improvements have been initiated, driven and achieved by residents not part of city government.)

    And, by the way, Councilman, residents do not need a “Brookhaven 101” course to understand the environmental impacts of development – we live those impacts every day as we watch our tree canopy disappear and our infrastructure deteriorate.

  9. 9

    whodean

    Our taxes are right with Dunwoody at the lowest in the county. Money is being spent on things like parks and roads that never would have been available directly from Dekalb. Don’t let socks off dust obscure your vision.

  10. 10

    Red

    Millage may be “lower,” but $ amount of annual property tax is higher. And some of us do not wish to emulate Dunwoody. An opinion different from yours is not obscured vision. Looking forward to November.

  11. 11

    Redevelopment Powers 101

    And massive amounts of time is being spent on Pink Pony lawsuits, Unneeded and Expensive Annexations, Consolidation of City Power at Brookhaven MARTA, Redevelopment Powers to enrich local RE Developers at the expense of taxpayers and create utopian big box developments that impede sustainable organic growth.

    Not so much on parks and roads. When’s the last time you saw a road get paved? They should be paving a new road every week. Every dollar spent or time wasted on a lawsuit, a voter referendum or another “master planning” consultant could be spent on parks and police.

    We have city leaders that want to make our hotels less competitive by raising the hotel tax. They want to play RE Developer with your money because they can’t compete in the real industry.

  12. 12

    whodean

    Agree that it can always be better, and citizens need to keep our Representatives accountable. Just keep the big picture in mind to.

  13. 13

    effiing

    Thorndike–I agree–the article was just picking out low-hanging fruit. AJC either needs to do more thorough work.

    Whodean’s comment–I agree this is timed for people in Tucker and LaVista Hills to get a look at.

    Signed,
    Disappointed
    (AJC try again in Doraville)

  14. 14

    Eddie E.

    The ‘big picture’ the Citizenry has in mind or the ‘big picture’ of the incorporators’?

  15. 15

    Tom Doolittle

    To Redevelopment Powers 101
    One of the things that is missing from the cityhood conversation regards the general issue of the natural friction between various aspects of economic development and residents.
    (1) One example is residents not understanding that asking for “zoning control” is antithetical to asking for “econonomic developmemnt”–they are competing interests)
    (2) The other is what you implied–that if you “give away” something to a developer–that you by definition add “cost” to taxpayers.

    Critics now have to do what the city didn’t and doesn’t do–enumerate PRECISELY how incentives via TADs (and possibly other) have a natural consequence to taxpayers.

    Also, how legitimate are the claims that taxpayers “get back” what they put into incentives in new jobs and indirect growth of tax base? (How do we know one way or the other–facts please).

    This is a far-ranging subject that the AJC could take on as a followup of their article this weekend on using incentives to have local corporations play musical chairs around the region (NCR, etc)

    http://www.myajc.com/news/business/incentives-debated-in-cross-metro-company-moves/njtTC/#1850a181.3267881.735624

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    I Want LaVista Hills

    For balance it would be nice to mention DeKalb is still shackled with paying $250k / yr to a CEO facing criminal charges. We’re also paying the interim guy $250k. Then there’s the county commissioner that thinks her boyfriend isn’t a conflict of interest. I wish our county could get bogged down by a $2,500 donation to the low cost $3 car wash. That would be a relief.

    If you study history then study Clayton County over the last few decades. Lots of overlap.

  17. 17

    Redevelopment Powers 101

    (1) Agreed – new city candidates should get to know the difference or the difference will be made plain very quickly.
    (2) Agreed

    Fantastic article, Tom. It really illustrates the cannibalism that takes place in metro regions using taxpayer dollars to sweeten the pot. Just politicians being politicians. Money is cheap right now for borrowing so I can see the financial case, except City of Brookhaven has no ability to create Revenue Bonds. Not yet, anyway.

    Redevelopment Powers is the trading floor where RE Developer wannabe’s meet central planning centrist government types. “You allow me to play politics and compete for businesses with taxpayer money and I’ll let you create the architectural dreams and visions free markets reject.”

    Sorry got off topic. Look for Brookhaven City Council to pick a bond underwriter this evening to issue bonds. They will pay Piper Jaffrey $225/hour to hustle along a bond issue, probably by the end of this year. I assume it has to be on a ballot, but maybe not.

  18. 18

    enuff govt already

    Sadly, I’m not surprised. The excuses for their behavior were lame! They took the training amd they knew better! I predict we’ll see the same from the rest of the proposed cities.

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    Saul

    Just be thankful we don’t have an elected official in our city that had financial issues and gets involved in questionable and illegal activities. Like Elaine Boyer, using her county position to create sources of income (kick backs) to stave off law suits or home foreclosures. Oh, wait. Anyone want to buy a golf cart cheap?

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