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  1. 1

    RAJ

    Great Tom! Can we get this done before Monday’s DeKalb Delegation meeting? TIA annexation is all but dead. Monday’s meeting should go a long way toward bringing city hood/annexation into focus. What next? Are we headed for a long series of annexations of commercial property into existing cities that will leave N. Central DeKalb a residential ghet to…”paradise in the ghetto”. This is the unwritten mandate of organizations like “DeKalb Strong”. Shortsighted thinking, clouded by emotion, and reactive, with little or no outcome based decision making. The outcome for N. Central DeKalb if we don’t form our own city?…..our tax money siphoned to an ever growing corrupt “diverse” county Government that promotes casinos,drug dealing,strip joints,and underage female/male trafficking in our neighborhoods. Economic “Development” fueled by real estate investment from Indian tribes in Louisiana and Mississippi. Great place to own a home, and raise your kids. Schools…don’t ask! A simple up or down vote on city-hood in N.Central DeKalb this year will tell us much about ourselves and if the next wave of rational people want to move to other parts of North Metro Atlanta. Bottom line. The only way to find out what people really want is to go to the polls and vote. Referendum on city hood in N. Central DeKalb would probably fail this year, but we can get a precinct by precinct evaluation of what people are thinking. The REAL informative push in time, money and effort comes into play when people know they will be going to the polls to vote!

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    Mark Kooyman

    Interest perspective and commentary. Interest commentary by RAJ.

    My bet is that the vast majority of the Millennials and GenXers that make up the voting base of the geography in this column cannot even begin to understand the complexity and “insider’s” perspective express…

    Shoot, they’ll start reading this and the next thing you know, they go and click on their iPod music on their iPhones and move on to another website.

    Simplify and embrace your community base…

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    Peter Miller, GenXer, Millennial, Brookhaven resident

    Mr Kooyman,

    I must say that I took exception with the comments you made above and other you have made in the past where you elude to having this wealth of experience regarding the demographics of Brookhaven, etc.

    I’m one of those GenXers you mention. We’re not as distracted and stupid as you might want people to believe. I understood the article quite clearly.

    I pay attention to goings in around me because ever since I move into Brookhaven I have seen nothing but a series of bad decisions that have made it near impossible for me to move around my neighborhood. I live on Caldwell Rd.

    So you’re saying I should just put my headphones in and have a sip of the Brookhaven kool-aid and assimilate? Hell no man. That’s not happening.

    Sir you have no idea what you’re talking about. I know of your “Brookhaven who we are” presentation and have watched it on this sites YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLEYKymcaN8

    Don’t be so quick to think that you are as plugged in as you think you are because you look at some lifeless paper data put out by census and stats collection services that you simply rewrap.

    I am a millennial, GenXer or what ever term you label me as. But make no mistake we do pay attention and will be a force to be reckoned with particularly when stodgy crony politicians seeking to get re-elected think they are connected with their citizens. They have no idea who we are and what makes us tick. And it looks like you don’t either.

    What especially pisses us off is when people think they know what they are talking about and mischaracterize us. We may not look like we are engaged, like we are paying attention like we care whats going on, but make no mistake, we do “get-it”.

    With all due respect, whatever compensation you receive from the City of Brookhaven to advocate for them is a waste of money and time. Tell them in your next report to get off their North Brookhaven butts and get out and see for themselves.

    Thank you Mr Doolittle for your article, and Mr Kooyman, with all due respect, retool your research by actually talking to and living among the Millennials and GenXers you claim to know so much about. The paper data is wrong. Thankfully.

    – Peter Miller, one Brookhaven resident who does not appreciate being mislabeled.

  4. 4

    effing

    2nd comment agree–Dooflidget is boring.

  5. 5

    RAJ

    We have covered this before Mark, but thanks for the reminder; reflective of the shallow society we now live in these days!

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    Mike

    Tom Doolittle is not a professional writer, and it shows.

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    Masked

    Mark,

    One of these days you’ll realize the GenX/Millennial you’re complaining about staring at their iPhones already read this article, 2 more on the same subject, and came to an informed opinion on the matter while you’re still waiting for the AJC to show up at your door. Your generation is on the slow boat to irrelevancy – in the mean time, we’ll keep moving into town and making your neighborhood nicer while you complain about how you liked it when people wore onions on their belts, which was the style at the time.

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    Tom Doolittle

    I’m glad you like the article Mr. Miller.

    Also, I know Mark and we’ve discussed Millennials at length. His comments here come from a good place. However, this is a dry subject.

    Fact is, like most “boosterism”, the cityhood subject is purposely obfuscated…and discussed on the terms selected by the “winners”. I try to add a different angle.

    Thanks for reading.

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    Masked

    Oh, and one other thing: I can find (on my iPhone no less, or Android in my case) full breakdowns of the appreciation in home values based on houses getting into incorporated cities instead of Unincorporated DeKalb. When you sell your house, maybe you should stand by your principle and donate the difference in the appreciation of your home to your good friends in the DeKalb County government. After all, profiting from cityhood would only prove our point, and you can’t have that, right?

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    The Brookhaven Post

    Hi Peter. Mr Kooyman is entitled to his opinion just as you are. Thanks to all who offer their opinions. The Annexation vs Cityhood is a complicated issue. All of which bring potential change. Some agree with it, some don’t. Ultimately, it is up to those who could be affected in either to get informed and decide for themselves what is best for them – as well as their communities – even though some may say that the community at large should have been consulted before the wheels were set into motion.

    The GenX and Millennial generations are the rising tide and will be / are the next wave of influencers and are the target demographic for many market studies. I have a 21 year old son that falls into this category somewhat and agree to some of your points – such as being misunderstood.

    What is understood however is that the typical strategies to connect with these generations don’t work as well as they used to.

    It will be interesting to see how things change as this demographic is better understood.

    For what it’s worth, it may be a good strategy to look and listen and respect and offer the new viewpoints the newer generations bring. Certainly seems as though it would be the most logical way to make the connections.

    – Trey Benton

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    RAJ

    Real question is have you really learned anything in life?

  12. 12

    RAJ

    Must be one of a kind!

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    Eddie E.

    Two salient points:
    The changes to municipalization law 8 years ago was a mistake, replacing a method that required full cooperation and participation of a clear majority of area residents.

    Mr. Brockaway’s ‘concerns’ probably derive from the obvious fact the political party intended to benefit from municipalization is not likely to be the party that actually attains power. Careful drawing of borders in recognition of Mitt Romney’s accidental but honest comment no longer seem to go far enough.

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    MK

    It is ironic that older generations are complaining about Millenials/GenX when it is the older generations that have been in the driving seat for the past few decades and therefore are responsible for the problems that we are facing today.

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    jf1smith

    Tom,
    Does Buzz’s bill account for commercial annexations that the commercial entities do not want (Avondale vs Rio Circle & YDFM) or situations where the commercial areas are primely utilized by neighboring residential NOT being included in a proposed annexation (Medlock vs City of Decatur) ??

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    RAJ

    Quit whining and just keep paying my Social Security!

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    enuff govt already

    There’s a (new) city movement in south Forsyth, could there be some heat on the representative from the county and its sole city?

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    Eddie E

    Whoa now, them folks in Cumming like things the way they have been for over a century and they know who should be in charge!

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    FM

    The Brookhaven Post might consider doing an article or series of articles on the generationl perspectives of living, working or visiting Brookhaven.

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    Tom Doolittle

    Jf1smith–
    I didn’t mean suggest that I have access to the kind of information you’re asking for. I was only commenting on a common situation regarding NEIGHBORHOODs.The bill is to allow citizens in a city to VETO an annexation–citizens would never VETO a commercial annexation.

    BTW–as I suugested in the article, there’s at least an even chance that that particular response to the curretn annexation vs cityhood situation is at all serious–and simply serves to further confuse the process–yet another reason for all bils to be delayed a year.

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    Keith Hanks

    Speaking as a millennial. Let’s get a couple of things straight here. The folks making an overwhelming number of renovations (aka investments) intown are millennials and gen-x. They are not the baby boomers, not retirees on pension, savings and Social Security income. If the boomers where still welding as much influence the suburbs beyond Lawrenceville and Kennesaw would still be getting built out and poor souls would just suck it up and commute towards the city.

    There is a shockingly large inventory of homes in the area that have not been renovated in decades. Decades. Same goes on deferred maintenance. Shallow to point this out, absolutely. This is supposed to be a premier part of Atlanta. When you go $300k, $400k, even $500k into a home you expect someone would have gotten around to renovating that 1970s kitchen. Original 1950s bathroom countertops + mirror is not a selling feature for many. The target audience for purchasing many homes in middle DeKalb are gen x and increasingly millennials. The sellers of these homes are often boomers and retirees. This disconnect, and the liability it brings to taking on the responsibility of an outdated single-family home (deferred maintenance + cosmetic appearance) is another reason I think we are seeing so many new construction luxury townhomes successful with young professionals ITP. You know those 8-10 per acre things the boomers are complaining about zoning around, but somehow seem to sell out before construction is complete.

    Do a little glancing around town. The equity in many single-family homes are being created by millennials and gen x making the investment into the community that baby boomers and retirees were either 1) incapable of doing or 2) unwilling to do.

    Millennials + gen x haven’t had the luxury to go to the ballot for decades, other generations have. If we’re going to cast stereotypes one can argue an overwhelming number of boomers never got involved in anything beyond the PTA years ago.

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    Keith Hanks

    This is a good suggestion. What I think you’ll find is a person that is a millennial or gen x that has lived in metro Atlanta for 30 years of their adult life. I think the younger generations will see Brookhaven positioned strong 1) for the future and 2) for their generation. Young people aspire to live in Brookhaven. So far they’ve also been willing to pay strong prices, and make additional investments in home renovations.

    Seems Brookhaven is much different today than in years past. It’s a desirable community for those that are younger, especially young professionals that don’t want to drive 60+ minutes in rush hour each day.

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    RAJ

    People like Keith are a real pain in the butt to us older folks living in established neighborhoods,however we need them for some very good reasons. Some older construction IS worth a do over,some other, just replace and maintain some character with the neighborhood…or not! It is about location these days and how we choose to spend our time,but not often mentioned is the fact that generational diversity in neighborhoods helps keep nearby commercial areas fresh and thriving with new businesses. New cities like Brokenhaven can bring a fresh outlook for Millennials and Gen X, and I hope North Central DeKalb will take note. I’m OK with Keith as a neighbor…. a little weird but I guess he’s OK.

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    Bob Swaysman

    Actually, it’s the house flippers doing all the updating in many intown neighborhoods, then selling those homes to the Gen-Xers who don’t want to buy anything that isn’t in pristine, updated-to-this-minute condition. They want the suburban style, but don’t want to have to drive to it.

    Remember, it was the Boomers and their older siblings who put in the sweat equity to make Virginia Highlands, Inman Park, Morningside, Decatur what they are– and the list goes on and on. A lot of those homes had been chopped into DUPLEXES. If you’re only going in $300-$400k in a house in Decatur or Oak Grove, you’d damn well better expect to put some cash into it. You’re getting a bargain. That house will be worth almost twice that once you’ve improved it. If you want a turnkey property, expect to pay more. That’s how real estate works. Always has, always will. Only difference is the lack of willingness by today’s younger buyers to put in any work in the close-in neighborhoods. The exception is Atlanta proper. Just look at all the remodeling going on there.Total gut jobs, on unrenovated homes starting at $800k.

    But always remember, all those brushed-nickel fixtures that are in style today will be woefully outdated in 20 years. So what you want when you buy today, the next generation will want redone when you sell. Call me in 20 years Keith, and we’ll compare notes again.

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    Carrie

    I wonder why so many people would want to live in a place you call Brokenhaven?

  26. 26

    Uranus

    Because it is less expensive to go to a made up city with a made up cherry tree festival than living in the DC area where they have a real and historical Cherry Tree Festival?

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    Eddie E.

    I was here first.
    Sometimes, it is one’s duty to scrutinize the occupier.

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    Tom Doolittle

    Forsyth Definitely a litmus test on how a Repub legislature will regulate cityhood in counties with Republican county governments. Natural friction. (or start regulating in the first place)

    Bottom line–beyond unusual situations like P’tree Corners, will there really ever be cityhood movements in Repub counties?

    Optimal situation for a rational cityhood movement would be where the issue isn’t race or politics driven and only on the basis of cost and service delivery. In other states, the counties are more than willing to divest power (revenue) and responsibility. (Its’ the only way the issue will be broached by legislators)

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    effing

    ASticle in paper today–“State looking to reform DeKalb”. Why not–it already has RE-formed it.

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    Eddie E.

    I guess we will have to wait for a shift in majority party to see how that plays out.
    So far, it merely seems to be an attempt to ‘divide and conquer’ in the areas that will not willingly submit to the current majority party.

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