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  1. 1

    Barbara

    Welcome to Brookhaven. Where we make your road a private county club paid for with public tax dollars.

    Those are PUBLIC roads and what you are doing should be illegal. No one is stopping people from driving down Redding, Ashford, Roxboro, North Druid, or Dresden. All of which have way bigger problems and ALL were at one time subdivision roads, whether any of you morons in city council remember that or not. Why don’t you focus on the community as a whole instead of 51% of people in Brookhaven Heights with a bogus traffic study. Here’s the real question, with this becoming private do the rest of us get to stop paying for upkeep?

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    Thomas Porter

    They didn’t approve street closures, they approved the far more intelligent time-restricted turns. Nobody seems to have issues with the signs, humps & bumps.

  3. 3

    Barbara

    Per the article above:

    “No through traffic signs at the neighborhood entry points”

    That is closing the public bridge and streets to all residents expect those in BH.

  4. 4

    Thomas Porter

    I could be wrong, I watched/listened to the video & I thought they’ll have a sign saying ‘No Thru Traffic’ somewhere and time-restricted no turn signs. Regardless, no bollards or physical barriers to entry.
    Maybe Trey can clarify.

  5. 5

    The Brookhaven Post

    I changed the way I worded it. “No thru-traffic signs to be installed at the neighborhood entry points”.

  6. 6

    Saul

    Sounds like the Brookhaven City Council needs to go ahead and put “No Through Traffic” signs at each and every entrance point to the City of Brookhaven. Evidently Brookhaven Heights is so special they think they are in D1.

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    Jennifer

    I think the point on No Thru Traffic signs is to let people know that there is not an arterial or high capacity collector road – only neighborhood streets and driveways that are most likely restricted by signs or barriers but are still public. Like it or not most of the neighborhoods are suffering negative impact from the increased cut thru traffic. The hard part is to mitigate problem areas without creating new ones for other neighbors. I have faith that these solutions will calm some of the traffic and hopefully will turn out to be a solution that can be used in other areas as well.

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    Brookhaven Betty

    Oy vey.

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    SBLP

    “A traffic study was performed which shows the volume of cut-through traffic, particularly along Colonial Drive, Standard Drive and Thornwell Drive, is an issue.”

    What traffic study showed this? The one that has been posted here did not show some high level of cut-through. In fact, that study stated very plainly that all way stops on Matthews were not warranted based on the lack of traffic. And yet we are going to spend tax payer money on stop signs REGARDLESS of what the TAX PAYER funded traffic study said.

    I reached out to the state attorney general’s office regarding the “no thru traffic” signs and their legality. Still waiting to hear back but based on a response from FL state attorney general I don’t think these are legal to put up or enforce.

    I’d love to hear what the other 40% of BH has to say when they find out they can’t make legal right turns onto NDH in the afternoons. Instead they can drive up Colonial to Peachtree and join the rest of traffic trying to turn right on NDH.

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    I Just Wanna Slide

    Zero chance they will be able to enforce this. Zero.

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    Riley OConnor

    All you have to do is go to places in the City of Atlanta (like Ansley Park, Garden Hills or Peachtree Hills) or the People’s Republic of Decatur to see how communities try to address the problem of automobile traffic. Phone apps such as Waze have only made the neighborhood traffic issues worse. But you can’t go through a rezoning meeting without the subject of traffic coming up. And, as John Park pointed out, all they’re doing is shifting the pain from one party to another.

    Locally, both Sunland Drive and Oaklawn Drive have traffic “measures” which are meant to control through traffic that are widely disregarded. In short, the only way that this measure is going to work is if there is a law enforcement presence. Just one more cost shifted to the police department by a legislative body.

    And, this sets into motion other neighborhoods asking for equally restrictive measures, not because of the Brookhaven Heights neighborhood’s actions but because there is now a precedent.

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    Erik Steavens

    So let’s talk about real elephant in the room here is what is this going to cost. I hear about temporary fixtures and signs. I hear about staff monitoring and police enforcing. This sounds like an expense proposal and no one has quantified the cost of this unbudgeted expense. I suspect you are talking several hundred thousand dollars for this six month test.

    The next question I am curious is where is this coming from? Are we taking funds that would repair roads and add sidewalks for this “temporary fix”.

    Also, when you start implementing these temporary or permanent traffic calming devices there is no assessment of how it impacts drainage. Be prepared for water not flowing right during and after rain events. Be prepared for some folks to have water in driveways and yards that did not in the past.

    These fixes will not solve the problem of cut thru traffic. That will exist or it will move to another neighborhood that will then ask for hundreds of thousands of dollars for the same treatments.

    We need to send critical resources on items that will improve our communities and cities as a whole. Repaving, adding sidewalks, and fixing drainage issues improve property values, this stuff does not.

    So next fall when there is a need to raise the budget in Brookhaven these are the types of things that will be the culprit.

    Always be ware of the unintended consequences.

  13. 13

    Brookhaven Heights

    Erik, this is self funded by the citizens/ resolution and by the previous Dekalb county resolution also voted on and adopted by the 413 homes in BH. $25 a year per house for the last three years is $30,975 of funding we have put into the COB general fund since the city was formed.

  14. 14

    Riley OConnor

    Isn’t that for the existing speed humps?

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    The Brookhaven Post

    I have asked this question to the City of Brookhaven. The Brookhaven Heights area is already being assessed $25.00 per household for traffic calming. Whether that covers all the homes or not I am unsure. BUT, the $25.00 is in perpetuity to cover traffic calming expenses. These new measures fall under the current assessments residents already pay. Therefor, there is no new expense to the residents who are already paying their $25.00, says the City. According to the City, one speed hump, all in, costs between $3,000 and $3,500. City Manager Christian Sigman says the policy must be changed on how these things are done and formulated – taking a wider lens view.

    As it stands now, the City agrees that Brookhaven Heights followed the process as they were directed. Just as parts of Ashford Park did when they received their traffic calming measures a few weeks ago. There are a number of neighborhoods following those same guidelines presently for traffic calming measures of their own. I wonder how any policy change might affect those efforts.

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    Erik Steavens

    That may be that some of that funding is used but there are other measures there that would not be funded from this amount.

    Did the City put a price tag on this endeavor? Folks need to know the true cost of this. I am sure other neighborhoods will follow suit.

    The cost of monitoring and police enforcement will surely push that price.

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    Supporter

    The study they are referring to is a speed trailer volume count on Standard and Thornwell from 2014 conducted by BPD. It shows in excess of 18,000 cars in 6 days traveling Standard and in excess of 17,000 cars in 6 days traveling Thornwell. Those numbers will surely be higher as we have seen an increase in volume in the past two years.

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    Supporter

    As stated previously BH is already assessed a $25 tax per parcel for the entire neighborhood. The speed bumps proposed in the plan are not $3500. Those are the existing ones. The proposed ones are much cheaper speed cushions. Signs are cheap and the temporary bump out design hasn’t been published.

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    Riley OConnor

    I got the sense last night that the City has ventured into uncharted territory, especially given the “temporary” (their words) nature of this project. Not included in the motion was any process for determining success/failure of the measures other than traffic counts. Nor any process for dismantling things in the event of failure to achieve the stated goals. And there is no way to differentiate between residents’ traffic and cut through traffic short of placing human monitors to record the difference (more expense).

    Also interesting was the post-vote commentary from Staff that the residents need to prepare themselves for the temporary character of the solutions being applied. Thus a speed calming structure would possibly be only concrete, without any beautifying things like flowers (even more maintenance).

    If I read it correctly, only the houses on streets with the speed humps have to pay the assessment because they had to petition the County/City to have them installed in the first place. Thus streets like Lorraine (and maybe Matthews) would not be subject to the assessment.

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    Eric Robert

    BS on no thru traffic signs. Why can’t we get those for all the neighborhoods? There is far worse cut thru on the neighborhoods. And when is Brookhaven going to address the fact that Ashford Dunwoody is still posted at 40 MPH.

  21. 21

    Eric Robert

    Keep in mind Speed Humps do not last forever and need to be removed and then rebuilt when the road is resurfaced. Also often additional maintenance or even replacements need to be made.

  22. 22

    Saul

    Doing a little math I find those counts hard to believe on an hourly basis. I want a recount!

  23. 23

    Erik Steavens

    Signs are cheap? They may be low cost but a cost. The real cost will be in monitoring and police enforcement time. That is the real hidden costs that are not elaborated about.

    So we need to have the City be more honest about the true costs associated with the actions.

    This something for nothing way we look at government is hurting us all.

    I am hoepful that before this gets implemented we understand the full and true costs to us all.

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    SBLP

    Thanks for clarifying. I found the document, and based on the 18000 cars over 317 hours that is roughly 58 cars per hour going both directions on Standard. For Thornwell it worked out to about 52 cars both directions per hour. Obviously that averaging out including overnight hours…. it would be helpful to see peak hours and such individually. Even better if we could truly factor out the 415 residents.

  25. 25

    Joe Palladi

    So that is about 3000 cars a day?

  26. 26

    Joe Palladi

    Erik, usually the speed hump ends laterally a foot or two from the curb face, if constructed properly. Some are not continuous across the road section also…depends on the design. I remember when Town Brookhaven built them at a skew….they received so many complaints they rebuilt them 90 deg to the direction of travel. Some have used yellow paint which insinuates a speed hump…and it seems to work.
    I thought the residents are taxed to not only pay for the construction, but also for the removal/reconstruction during an overlay.

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    Joe Palladi

    I understand AP is asking for more traffic calming.

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    Joe Palladi

    I thought they said they would do a before and after traffic study to gauge the difference in volumes before/after. Assuming the internal resident traffic would be the same (not many undeveloped lots there), any difference in traffic volume can be discerned. Also speed studies can be done with tubes.

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    Joe Palladi

    Signs have to be maintained also, but probably low cost. Wish they woud reset/replace the truck limitation sign at the entrance of Osborne Road at P’tree!!!!

  30. 30

    Saul

    Or 125 cars per hour?

  31. 31

    Toff

    Signs need to be in English and Spanish as well.

  32. 32

    Riley OConnor

    Councilman Bates Mattison was on today’s edition of WABE’s “Closer Look” talking about the Brookhaven Heights matter. Host Rose Scott twice asked him directly about what proof he had that Waze was the cause of the problem. His first answer skated right on by the question. He used elaborate language in avoiding the answer the second time. Somewhere in there, I could have sworn that he felt that it was “for the children”.

    Ms. Scott also asked him (for the benefit of the listeners who were not present to ask) as to why Brookhaven feels that it is “special”, and the answer was that it addresses safety issues. Which then raised the question as to how dangerous is the situation, which led to an anecdotal answer of a neighbor telling the Councilman that their dog had recently been hut by a car.

    Overall, Bates did well, but there are still more questions than answer. And, he did better than I would have on the radio since I have a tendency to drift…… It should be on streaming audio tomorrow:

    http://news.wabe.org/programs/closer-look-rose-scott-and-jim-burress

    In any case, stopped at the Kroger to collect my massive senior discount and saw former Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin, who still looks grand.

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    Erik Steavens

    You are definitely correct. It would be good to replace some of the signage along Osborne that is either been hit, damaged, or weathered to a point they are hard to read.

  34. 34

    Sad

    Just a few years ago neighbors used their back yards for the children and get together’s. We moved freely from yard to yard playing and enjoying each other. No fences along every property line, just open space.
    Now, houses are closer together, ugly mismatched fences surround every yard, the trees are gone, and nobody knows who lives next door to them.

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    Danny

    Who would ever want to buy a house in Brookhaven Heights? Cameras watching your every move, neighbors who don’t speak to each other, speed humps and bump outs interfering with respondents as they try to get to an emergency, etc., etc. Somethings do more harm than good. Be careful what you ask for.

  36. 36

    SBLP

    I got clarification…. the no through signs are “warning” but not regulatory. Therefore they cannot be enforced with tickets. So yeah, just some pretty signs we can all ignore.

  37. 37

    Dean

    But its going to make the neighborhood feel good!

  38. 38

    Barbara

    So countless thousands of dollars and hours city employees time were spent to give the ok on $200 worth of signs that cannot be enforced. All because no one bothered to ask an attorney. Keep it up Brookhaven.

  39. 39

    lkaye

    Another sad day in the story of “The City of Brookhaven.” The “neighbors” in Brookhaven Heights have become the most crass, rude and holier-than-thou. Sadly, you don’t hesitate to speed through other neighborhood streets and consider it your right to do so. I’ve been driving that way to the grocery store for 19 years. I’m not stopping now.

  40. 40

    Brittany Mother

    lkaye, I think you are forgetting why Brookhaven was founded, who was behind its creation and their goals.

    As a youth I worked in Cherokee Plaza. When the old Standard Club neighborhood started to be redeveloped I thought it would be for the better. Older now, my Brookhaven Heights social experiences have proved otherwise. Let me be kind and say I miss the old Standard Club neighborhood residents.

  41. 41

    lkaye

    I am a native Atlantan and I miss it ALL!

    It’s regretful BH has one of the FEW access points to Peachtree.

    It’s regretful longtime neighborhoods have ALL suffered terribly, with more to come.

    It’s regretful that greed and profit drive the process.

    It’s regretful the disaster being created on Dresden – though every lawyer of the high density developments WILL tell you, you are wrong.

    It’s regretful we’re all ‘battling’ every week at another meeting about another project/proposal.

    It’s regretful we allowed ourselves to be put in this situation. But alas and alack here we are.

    I appreciate your kindness….you can absolutely feel the disdain hanging over BH.

  42. 42

    fyi

    2.08333 per minute?

  43. 43

    lkaye

    Can you clarify the maintenance aspect of the speed bumps that already exist throughout Brookhaven? Does each household on the street pay $25.00 a year for “maintenance”? What does that fee cover, as there seems to be no maintenance whatsoever. Most speed bumps on Caldwell can’t be seen in the dark – the reflective paint is gone. Speed bumps on Coosawattee desperately need repair. Is it the homeowner’s responsibility to contact the county or city?

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    Riley OConnor

    “…BH is already assessed a $25 tax per parcel for the entire neighborhood….”

    That’s interesting. In my immediate neighborhood, there are six streets, two of which have speed humps. My street does not, and there is no itemized category for “speed control measures” (or anything similar) on our tax bill.

  45. 45

    Riley OConnor

    In the interest of accuracy, a quick look at the property tax records indicates that all properties in Brookhaven Heights pay a speed hump tax assessment.

  46. 46

    The Brookhaven Post

    Thanks RO’C.

  47. 47

    lkaye

    we DO have speed bumps on our street and we ARE being assessed a fee on our tax bill. So, based on that information and Riley’s experience, parcels on Mathews and other streets without speed bumps are currently not being assessed and your numbers are inflated with regard to this COB fund. Would love to know how BH plans to access this perceived windfall.

  48. 48

    Riley OConnor

    Three addresses on Matthews, chosen at random, all show “CITY SPD HUMP” assessments. Presumably, Lorraine and the cul-de-sac streets are also probably being assessed.

  49. 49

    Suzanne

    I am so glad to see this brought up. The size of the trucks now speeding down Osborne is atrocious. Do you have any insights or thoughts on what it would take to get the truck limitations reinstated on Osborne Road?

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